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Postby Sakae on Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:18 pm

PIRELLI ANNOUNCE TYRE COMPOUNDS FOR AUSTRALIAN GP

http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/549582/Pirelli_announce_tyre_compounds_for_Australian_GP/

Interesting experiment, as long as it not going to and up as a major item in headlines, race after race.
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Sakae on Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:36 am

2016 F1 Tyre Rules Explained
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/549110/2016_F1_Tyre_Rules_Explained/

First impression - sounds complicated.

"Each driver may then choose their remaining 10 sets from the three available compounds," added the International Automobile Federation.

"Unless intermediate or wet-weather tyres have been used, a driver must use at least two different specifications of dry-weather tyres – at least one of these must be the one chosen by the tyre supplier."

Pirelli issued further information on Thursday, which may have added to the headaches.

"The teams will make their choices within a deadline set by Pirelli. They will communicate their choices to the FIA, which will in turn tell Pirelli how many tyres to produce," it said.

"The choices for each car will remain secret until two weeks before the race. If a team does not meet the deadline, the choice will be made by the FIA.

"The choices made by each team can vary for each of its cars: so each driver within a team can have a different allocation."


(Bolded) Supplier's name in headlines is thus secured.
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Sakae on Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:56 pm

Tire compound choices for the 2016 Bahrain and Chinese Grands Prix:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pirelli-announces-tyre-choices-for-bahrain-china/

I am still not sure that I do appreciate full spectrum of nuances in strategies these choices of tires are offering.
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Mach on Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:41 pm

Let's not forget team technical departments have input in Pirelli tyre composition/performance as well.....regardless of what we and drivers think.
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Sakae on Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:13 pm

Mach wrote:Let's not forget team technical departments have input in Pirelli tyre composition/performance as well.....regardless of what we and drivers think.

That I am not sure. First time Pirelli were in trouble because of supremely hated cheese tires (as termed on the internet), my understanding is, that was planned among Ecclestone, Whitmarsh, and Hembery only. The other guys knew there will be some change coming, but they had no substantive input (if I recall several comments I read what RB said).
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Mach on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:31 pm

I remember reading teams do have input. But in any event, driver needs to understand the operating window of their tyres. If they work well and then "fall off the cliff" the driver complains about it. But it's their own fault to drive them to a cheesy state. Tyres too hard will introduce the options being fitted on the very last lap.

Can't please everyone.....only the engineers and drivers who get their set ups right based on tyre composition.
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby pob on Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:47 am

Here's how I imagine the tyre rules for Australia:

Pirelli says "righto chaps, the compounds available are Supersoft, Soft and Medium"
The teams say "what's that mean? :confused: We call 'em prime and option"
Pirelli says "you know... the red one, the yellow one and the white one... you'll have to call em something like option, prime and optimusprime just to confuse the fans as much as possible"
The fans say "aw, we wanted to see the new pretty purple one :yaynot: "
Pirelli says "sorry, we're scared it'll explode after half a lap :shy: so we're only using it at a couple of races"
The FIA then says "we've heard some F1 fans think that qualifying should be about cars being the fastest possible, so we insist that one of your 13 sets is the supersoft, and you have to save it for Q3! :cop: "
Pirelli then says "we insist that one of your sets is the Soft and one of the sets is the Medium :cop: . You probably should hold onto them, use em if you want in practice or quali, but if you do you're gonna find yourself short of tyres come raceday, so don't come complaining to us :p "
The teams then say, "psst, FIA, this is our secret selection of the ten other sets of tyres. :\ "
Pirelli then gets to work making those tyres in Turkey. Maurizio says "Bonjourno Pirelli :inlove: , would you mind making some tyres that are especially crappy for Mercedes like you did in Singapore? :twisted: " But then the FIA throws all the tyres into three giant hats marked "M", "S" and "SS", and picks out each team's selection at random, so Maurizio's villainous plan is foiled :hypocrite: . The tyres are loaded onto a boat which sails off to Oz.
During the race buildup the FIA says "ahem, these are tyres that everyone chose.... aren't Haas stooopid for picking 10 sets of the supersoft cos they don't know Pirellis disintegrate, hahaha ^o^ "
Then fiiiiiiinally the season kicks off :D . After each practice session every driver gives back two sets of tyres from the 10 they chose. Maldonado looks miffed because he has to give back an unused set after crashing into the lake on the first lap. :banghead:
We get to qualifying. Because it is soooo amazingly close this year with just 0.005 of a second covering the front to back row, every driver will have to use a new set of supersofts to get through each qualifying session. This pisses off Mercedes, as they had assumed they'd blitz the field so had only nominated 10 sets of soft tyres and promptly they get knocked out in Q1 :eek: .
We get to Q3. Pirelli says "hey, you guys who suck and didn't make it.... we feel sorry for you :inlove: so you can have that set of supersofts you saved for Q3 for the race instead."
The FIA then says, "hey, you guys in Q3, we don't like you :rant: so we're gonna take those supersofts you saved for Q3 off you even though they're flatspotted and pretty much useless for the race now anyway. Also, you're gonna have to use those supersofts you used in Q2 to start the race on. :cop: "
Vettel says "um... my Q2 set got punctured on the way back to the pits... it definitely wasn't from cutting corners or anything like that :hypocrite: " And then the FIA say, "don't worry Seb, you can swap 'em, as long as the replacement tyres are vaguely the same no one else will notice. :\ "
Then the FIA reshuffles the grid by giving grid penalties to drivers it doesn't like :reallyevil: .
It's finally race day :D . The FIA says "pit stops are fun and Pirelli want to show off their different coloured tyres so you all need to use at least two different compounds in the race. :cop: We don't care which two though."
Then there's a sudden thunder storm, so all those tyre rules end up not mattering and we have 10 laps on wet tyres behind the safety car before the teams decide that it's more fun to red flag the race and have a boat race in the lake instead. :|
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Sakae on Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:11 am

Button might have a point, commenting on tire related changes:
Button believes that teams will eventually converge on the same strategy - as one will always be fastest - and the rule will simply be forgotten by the masses.
"Everyone will use the same tyre," said Button. "Unless they have a massive issue with one tyre, everyone will use the same tyres.
"They have limited it," he said. "If it was completely open and you could use any of the tyres available, then you might have the possibility of someone running something a bit different, a bit crazy.
"But you're limited to three different tyres and everyone will be on exactly the same.
This could make tires more expensive for the teams, yet problem of (insert whatever you wish) unresolved.
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Sakae on Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:39 am

If you weren't confused before, you will be after this explanation. Pirelli will ensure that teams use some sensible tires, says this presenter.

Tires in headlines, race by race, guarantee!
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/550479/Teds_Notebook_Tyre_rules_explained/


If FiA is attempting to shake a grid, and address lack of overtaking through tire deployment, I am not sure that problem has been resolved, because after a few races they all will fall onto an optimal strategy, and there is only one of those, just as in reality there is only one racing line how to get most efficiently around any racing circuit; that's my prediction, thus nothing much of anything will be resolved, and cost of the F1 shot up. Tires are expensive, and someone has to pay for those.

After the 2016 car was designed, now FiA comes with tire heating modifications, cost of racing in F1 shots up once again, and who knows if it could be solved in time for the first race, or at all in one season, as we learned in the past.
As a team, I would be really pi***d off, that after investing large sums of money, representing efforts of thousand or so people, and with my brand's name is on the line, control of my racing destiny I have to surrender to a foreign firm (tire supplier), and his randomized process.

I don't think this is last time we talk about it.

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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Sakae on Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:57 am

Pirelli secretly altered the construction of its F1 tyres in preparation for 2016.
Read more at http://www.thisisf1.com/2016/01/22/pire ... cTJEWpo.99

If true, this is bad news for fans and teams alike IMO. Car has been designed, tire heating systems optimized, and now, when all is done, we get this (again)? I have never been in favor of artificial inducement of random variables, and this kind of philosophy simply puts me off.
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Sakae on Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:20 am

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-backs-calls-for-f1-tyres-overhaul-670209/

Better late than never, but why we didn't have this discussion some 18 months ago?
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Re: Pirelli F1

Postby Sakae on Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:26 pm

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“Now, the interesting thing is in choosing our own compounds we had to do this very early on and in fact we were choosing the first compounds for Australia because it was a flyaway race and we had to send the tyres very early, we were choosing that before we even knew that we had these characteristics in the tyres.

“So you might see in the early races that the selections that some people have made is not what the would have made if they had understood the wear characteristics of the tyres.”


Huge sums of money was invested, some money potentially might be received after points get counted, and here we have situation that teams had to made tire choices for the first race already, without actually having any understanding of new tire characteristics. (Thanks FiA/Pirelli for that). Car is not even assembled yet, no one knows how the tire heating will work, and now this...

I think SM has to be careful with his demands that Ferrari teams must win 1st race (to set the tone for 2016). In fact, if history teaches us anything, whole year could be written off after that race. I hope not, but chances are 50-50, methinks.
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