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Re: DTM

Postby raymondu999 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:48 am

Eep. Why would he want to do that? DTM and WEC are very different....
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Re: DTM

Postby Funkmother on Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:26 am

Well didn't Mike Rockenfeller do DTM and then drive in Le Mans. And then after he was injured in last year's 24h, they put Tom Christensen in the DTM car and he is known as Mr. Le Mans.

It was just a thought since they have entries in both series. And Dindo has apparently raced his last LM and so in theory Audi will be looking for some succession there.
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Re: DTM

Postby raymondu999 on Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:41 am

They're similar in that the driving styles you employ probably will be similar, both being car racing series with oodles of downforce (relative to a production car). But one is more like sprint racing, the other more like (ok I guess that's a bit of an understatement - it practically defines) endurance racing.
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Re: DTM

Postby Funkmother on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:08 am

So you don't see a problem then. ;)
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Re: DTM

Postby raymondu999 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:22 am

Put it this way - it's like putting Usain Bolt in a marathon. Other than the fundamental technique of driving a car fast, there is no shared skillset between the two disciplines.
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Re: DTM

Postby Funkmother on Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:26 am

Like I say, tell Mike Rockenfeller.
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Re: DTM

Postby raymondu999 on Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:39 am

Yes but I've never heard of career DTM people switching to career endurance (let alone Le Mans!) people. Other than possibly Rocky. By career I mean that's the main thing he does when in his prime. If it's a "retirement race" thing (like Brundle did) then count it out.
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Re: DTM

Postby Funkmother on Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:44 am

Okay, my give up.

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Re: DTM

Postby f1datavis on Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:36 pm

raymondu999 wrote:Yes but I've never heard of career DTM people switching to career endurance (let alone Le Mans!) people. Other than possibly Rocky. By career I mean that's the main thing he does when in his prime. If it's a "retirement race" thing (like Brundle did) then count it out.


What? Brundle was World Sportscar champion in '88 and won Le Mans in '90, having raced in F1 prior to this and after- almost always pretty competitively, even if in some fairly poorly designed cars. No question - the man could drive both "sprint" and "endurance" competitively. Therefore the two disciplines must have significant cross over in terms of skills. :roll:
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Re: DTM

Postby f1datavis on Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:51 pm

Oh and I totally disagree with you Usain Bolt in marathon analogy. :confused: Rubbish. Athletic sprinters require very high muscle mass to release energy in short sharp bursts, but it is very heavy. Marathon runners tend to have low levels of muscles so that they can run longer without unnecessary weight being carried around.

However in an automobile, yes athletic fitness is important as is brake pedal and neck strength; but there is no different strength or stamina requirements for racing for 24 hrs, 6 hours or just 2.. You only race in short stints anyway.

This being the case, the difference between Endurance and non-Endurance motorsport is much more mental - conserving the car and a strong mechanical knowledge of car systems, decision making, not taking risks. All things that make good DTM racers as well TBH.

Car control and driving one fast are exactly the same.
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Re: DTM

Postby raymondu999 on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:09 am

I never said the analogy stood in terms of muscle. It stands, as you say, in mentality.

Le Mans, you need a lot more self-restraint and driving within yourself to save fuel and tyres. DTM is a lot more sprint than that. Yes, drivers are able to jump between both things. But the question is will they want to? DTM drivers are a lot more flat out than Le Mans - just as some viewers prefer DTM over Le Mans and vice versa, some drivers will prefer the flat-out racing of DTM over Le Mans.

Ditto that Usain Bolt might not enjoy a marathon in that he has to run at a set pace to really get the best result.

Another issue is there are techniques that DTM drivers use to be able to maximise the tyre life they get for pace. ie to get the best value out of the tyres, in terms of the compromise between speed and longevity. DTM drivers will be able to save tyres - no problem there. The issue is that they will be giving away some pace, until they fully bed in with the techniques used by endurance drivers.

The difference doesn't stand in terms of muscle. It stands in the preferences of each driver, and the tweaks that they will have to do to truly be more on the maximum result limit.
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Re: DTM

Postby Funkmother on Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:45 am

Are you suggesting that Le Mans is not flat out? Perhaps you didn't see the battle between Audi and Peugeot last year. It was a titanic battle with agressive driving. The margin at the end of 24 hours was 17 seconds. Tell those drivers they weren't going flat out.
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Re: DTM

Postby raymondu999 on Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:50 am

It's not "flat out" in the sense that they're not doing qualifying laps for 24 hours. There is an element of tyre and fuel saving in the driving.
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Re: DTM

Postby Funkmother on Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:54 am

Ummm, these guys were bettering their qualifying times for much of the race.
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Re: DTM

Postby raymondu999 on Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:56 am

And what's to say that wasn't because of track evolution?
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