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American Politics Explained

Postby Lawrence on Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:04 pm

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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Adam on Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:09 am

An even better one:

http://xkcd.com/1127/large/
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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Mafia on Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:39 am

:confused:


No idea what that is... but that red and blue color looks good :reallyevil:
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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Ciro Pabón on Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:52 am



Thanks, pretty interesting. I just saw this the other day, it might help:

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Adam wrote:An even better one:

http://xkcd.com/1127/large/


Well, thanks, Adam, also interesting. I wonder why the center right disappeared from the House in 2012. Republicans hold in place by the extreme right... you have to wonder when the third party will appear.
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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Lawrence on Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:32 pm

Ciro Pabón wrote:Well, thanks, Adam, also interesting. I wonder why the center right disappeared from the House in 2012. Republicans hold in place by the extreme right... you have to wonder when the third party will appear.


Well, the moderate republicans have been under assault for the last 30 years, and right wing of the party have done a pretty good job of making them an extinct species. In the process, there are no Republicans in the House any more from New England and they have almost been completely driven out of the NE U.S. The party used to even have a liberal wing (remember Nelson Rockefeller). So yea, the challenge of the party how it is going to be able to move back to the center when they have almost no one in the party left from the center and the party doesn't particularly like or respect them (the phrase they use is RINO = Republicans in Name Only).

The problem with Adam's graphics is that there has never been a liberal and a conservative party in the modern U.S. The Democrats used to have the most conversative members of the U.S. political spectrum in thier party (the Dixiecrats) and the Republicans used to have liberal members. But....things have re-aligned, with the old Dixiecrats migrating to the Republican party and pulling it well to the right. Something like over half the Republican members of the House are from the old South now. So yea, the Republican party, although strong regionally, are facing a problem being a national party. The long term demographic shifts, which they have completely botched every attempt to address, isn't making it any easier for them.
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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Ciro Pabón on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:21 pm

Liberals...

As we understand the word in Europe and Latin America, the last successful liberal was Gladstone, before labor organizations and the universal suffrage.

I'd guess that in US as in Colombia, liberalism survives based on a mixture of restriction of vote (through gerrymandering and the such) and fear of communism. In the rest of the world, afaik, socialism replaced liberalism back in 1950.

About the republicans coming from the south ¿perhaps the circle has completed a whole revolution?

Democrats once upon a time (150 years ago, give or take) came from the South. They were against industrialism and tariffs... On the other hand, Republicans came from the North, where they defended industrialism and protective tariffs. They still do.

Wikipedia: Origins of the American Civil War - The founding of the Republican Party
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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Paul on Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:20 pm

Ciro ------- I refer to LIBERALS as Snivelling Liberals like the ACLU ( American criminal lovers Union), and of course the So Called Democrats who are no such thing :indian:
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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Lawrence on Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:37 pm

On the other hand, I am actually a card-carrying member of the ACLU.
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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Paul on Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:33 pm

American Criminal Lovers Union :p
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Re: American Politics Explained

Postby Lawrence on Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:14 pm

And here I thought you were a freedom of speech kind of guy.
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